A panel discussion turned tense when a reporter asked Petr Macinka whether the Trump administration’s actions regarding Ukraine had created divisions among Western allies.

“Petr, do you agree that the Trump administration’s actions on Ukraine have produced a rift in the West?” the reporter asked.

Macinka responded by addressing Hillary Clinton directly.

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“Well, first, I think you really don’t like him,” Macinka said.

Clinton did not dispute the assertion.

“You know that is absolutely true. But I really not only do I not like him, I don’t like him because of what he’s doing to the United States and the world, and I think you should take a hard look at it. If you think that there is something good that will come out,” Clinton replied.

Macinka then described what he sees as the broader political context behind Trump’s policies.

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“What I think, what I think Trump, Trump is doing in America, I think it is reaction, reaction, reaction for something that, for some policies that really went too far, too far from the regular people to far from reality,” he said.

Clinton pressed him for clarification.

“Like what? Give us some examples,” she said.

Macinka listed several cultural and social issues.

“So, you know, we saw the cancel culture. That’s that we saw the woke revolution. We I don’t agree with the gender revolution, the climate alarmist…” he began.

Clinton interjected.

“Which gender? Women having their rights?” she asked.

The reporter stepped in to allow Macinka to continue.

“Let Petr go on,” the reporter said.

Macinka resumed his remarks.

“I think there are two genders,” he said.

Clinton responded immediately.

“Well, how about half of us?” she said.

Macinka clarified his position.

“Some of us think that there is more than one, or more than two, sorry, more than two gender. I think there is male and female, and the rest probably is a social construct. So this is something that went too far,” he said.

Clinton then tied the discussion back to Ukraine.

“But, does that justify selling out the people of Ukraine who are on the front lines dying to save their freedom and their two genders, that’s what you’re worried about?” she asked.

Macinka sought to continue his explanation.

“Can I please finish my points? I’m sorry that it makes you. Makes you nervous. I’m really sorry for that,” he said.

Clinton rejected the suggestion.

“It doesn’t make me nervous. It makes me very, very unhappy,” she replied.

The moderator again intervened.

“Can we let Petr finish, please?” the reporter said.

Macinka then addressed Clinton’s earlier characterization of Ukraine’s fight.

“I have to say one more thing. You said that Ukraine fights for our future and for our freedom. I think first, Ukraine fights for Ukraine’s future, Ukraine’s freedom and Ukraine’s sovereignty and independence,” he said.

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