Former FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino and Australian broadcaster Erin Molan discussed what they described as a growing alliance between elements of the political left and Islamist extremists, arguing that both movements ultimately pursue power rather than individual liberty despite holding conflicting views on many social issues.

During the conversation, Bongino said he is frequently asked how progressive activist groups, including members of the LGBTQ community, can support or align with governments and organizations that openly oppose their rights.

He said he believes the answer was best explained by conservative author David Horowitz.

"I talk about this unholy alliance all the time. Big hat tip to David Horowitz. He wrote a book about it," Bongino said.

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He explained that many people struggle to understand what he sees as an unlikely political partnership.

"How I get this question? You probably get it yourself. Like I don't get it. How is it that the LGBTQIA2+ whatever they keep adding on? How is it that they align with the Iranian regime, the Islamo-fanatics, and the Islamo-Nazis out there, like they would throw them off the roof."

According to Bongino, Horowitz argued that both movements share a common objective.

"And Horowitz explains very simply: they both have one goal, which is tyranny and power. And to get that tyranny or power, they have to get something out of the way. And that something is you, people who believe in anti-tyranny and believe in individual liberty."

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Bongino said he believes the alliance is driven by a pursuit of political power rather than shared values.

"They-that's the only reason this is all about power. But it's very dangerous."

Molan agreed, pointing to examples she believes demonstrate the contradiction between progressive activism and support for Islamist causes.

"Oh, it's-it's super dangerous," she said.

She referenced New York City mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani's campaign appearances in LGBTQ venues, saying she believes the policies he supports conflict with the interests of many of those voters.

"And even you know when Mamdani was campaigning in gay strip clubs, and I'm watching, going, what he wants to introduce would not tolerate you for a nanosecond."

Molan also discussed violent incidents in Europe, arguing that some activists continue calling for unity despite attacks they attribute to Islamist extremists.

"It's the same as what we're seeing in Berlin, and we're seeing an Islamist terrorist driving a car into a parade, and then you're seeing the organizers of the LGBTQ, etc. etc. etc. coming out and saying, 'Now don't let this divide us, and don't let this make you hate them.'"

She questioned what it would take for supporters of those causes to reconsider the alliances they have formed.

"Well, sorry, but if that is not enough to to wake them up, what is?"

Molan also referenced demonstrations supporting Gaza, arguing that many participants overlook the treatment of LGBTQ individuals by the governments they support.

"Because I kept thinking, watching this, you know, gays for Gaza, and and just the greatest fools on planet Earth running cover for a regime that hangs them from cranes."

She said she believes those alliances are ultimately self-destructive.

"It will take something disastrous for them to wake up and realize that the movement they're aligning themselves with doesn't want them."

According to Molan, both movements are united primarily by their pursuit of political power.

"They actually don't care. They don't care if it ends in their own destruction. They will do anything for power. They have the same shared goal."

She added that, in her view, those alliances would eventually collapse once one faction no longer needed the other.

"They just don't realize that once this mob is done with the other mob, the mutual mob they hate, this mob is going to kill them too."

Bongino agreed, saying he believes Islamist extremist organizations have never concealed their intentions.

"You know, obviously you're correct. That's why I enjoy your content so much," Bongino said.

"It's not like the Islamo fanatics are in any way cryptic about what they're going to do to the infidels. I mean, they they openly advertise it all the time."

He then argued that political movements focused solely on power inevitably begin targeting members of their own coalition.

"This idea that when your only end game is is power and not the advancement of individual liberty, the idea of a representative democracy and any of that, eventually you have to turn on people who you perceive to be in your own tent."

As an example, Bongino pointed to the cancellation of individuals during the COVID-19 pandemic, saying that criticism eventually extended beyond conservatives.

"What started to happen is even any leftist that spoke out and did not, you know, toe the company line was canceled too because they all have to cling to their power. They're not interested in truth; they're interested in power."

Bongino predicted that the groups he discussed would ultimately discover their interests are incompatible.

"I think you're right. That's what's going to wind up happening. Is if they do win, the LGBTQ plus and DEI folks are going to find out the hard way that their bedfellows are not fellows at all?"

Molan concluded by citing Dearborn, Michigan, and Iran as additional examples, arguing that the alliance she described cannot endure because the underlying ideologies are fundamentally incompatible.

"It won't be. They cannot coexist. It doesn't work," she said.

"It is self-destruction. We are the architects of our own demise."

She argued that the issue extends beyond political rhetoric because she believes people are embracing the ideas being promoted.

"It's just dumb. It's so dumb, but it's dangerous, and that's the issue. And that's why voices like ours are needed, because the issue is that we can't just say let's put them in a box and laugh at them. People actually buy into it, and they start to believe it. And we've seen what can actually happen when they get too much power."

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